Vidas: Hi guys, this is Vidas!
Ausra: And Ausra! V: Let’s start episode 563 of Secrets of Organ Playing Podcast. This question was sent by Daniel, and he writes: “Hello Vidas and Ausra! I have a question about fingering and practising in a very slow tempo. If I do the fingering early I often have to choose another solution when I know the difficult parts better and can play them in a ”final” tempo. So the question is: When is the optimal moment to decide the fingering? Thanks for all good inspiration!” V: Hmm… that’s a good question, Ausra, right? A: Yes, it is a good question. V: What I do, I can say first and then you later share your version. A: Okay. V: Nowadays, I sit down on the organ bench, and I sight read a piece of music. At the same time, I record or even live stream the video with the camera pointed from above to the keyboards, so that hands, fingers, and even pedals would be visible. And once that’s done, I submit this video to my team to transcribe the fingering and pedaling for me. So basically, what I’m doing is using complete fingering right from the start. What about you? A: So it means that you have a very good notion of fingering and feel very self confident, yes? V: Not always, though. Of course, there are some elements which need editing, and I edit them later. But for most of the time, especially early music, it’s no problem. A: Yes, it’s the same for me with early music. I have a pretty good sense of how to finger it automatically, but I remember when I was a student in my early years of organ studies, I realized that it’s probably not a good thing to sit down and to write fingering right away after picking up a new piece, because I realized after you’ve spent hours and hours fingering it and then you practice, and after some time you see that some of those fingerings simply don’t work for you, and you have to rewrite it. So what I have done since that time, I would play a piece a few times, and only after that, I would write down my fingering. V: Makes sense. Recently, I’ve been going to church and practicing well known pieces, and also at the same time recording them later, but not as a sight-reading, but as a finished composition—finished performance, basically, ready to upload on YouTube and any other streaming platform. But it takes, for me, maybe ten times to play it slowly and faster to get ready, and especially if the piece is a little bit harder and faster and longer, and it might take a few more days to do it. But then, I suspect my fingering would be maybe a little bit different if I record it the last take—the tenth try, or the twentieth try, or the fortieth or fiftieth try, and then try to notate my fingering based on that video. Make sense? A: Yes, it makes sense. I think that the worst thing you can do is to play the same keys each time with a different fingering. That would slow down your progress of improvement. So I guess at some point, and quite early in learning the piece, you have to decide finally on what your fingering will be. V: Yeah, maybe you can choose... If Daniel, for example, wants to choose something in between what we are doing... we are having two opinions. Ausra suggests first to practice a few times and then notate fingering, and I… not recommending to do it like myself—write down fingering right from the start—but I’m just sharing what I’m doing, because I have that much experience. So maybe you could do something in between, right? Maybe play a few times and see if you’re comfortable with sitting down and writing down fingering then. Would that be helpful, Ausra? A: Yes, I guess everybody has to choose for themselves. What works for one might not work well for another one. V: Exactly. And it comes with the experience. After five, ten, twenty years, it will take less and less and less time to figure out the right fingering for you. Maybe you can do it right away when you sight read the first time. A: Right now, for example, I’m working on “Pièce D’Orgue” that Vidas fingered, and this is probably one of the pieces that I took a score with fingers in it... V: Vidas fingers! A: ...after a very long time, and I noticed that everything is just fine for my right, but not everything is just fine for my left hand. So basically, most of the places I ignored what is written in the left hand and created my own fingering. V: Why is that? A: I don’t know? V: Think. A: Well okay, let’s not go there. V: Maybe you have one extra finger. A: I don’t think so. V: There are people who have six fingers, actually. A: But I have only five on each hand. V: Hannibal Lecter had six fingers, you know? A: Vidas is in a mood, as you can hear. V: Good. So guys, choose what works for you. Right? We’re sharing what works for us, and probably the right answer will be somewhere in between for each of you. Thanks guys for sending these thoughtful questions, we love helping you grow. And remember, when you practice, A: Miracles happen.
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Vidas: Hi, guys, this is Vidas.
Ausra: And Ausra V: Let’s start episode 560, of Secrets Of Organ Playing Podcast. This question was sent by Maureen. And she writes: Hello Vidas and Ausra, I think now that I have received a few items of fingered music from you, I would love to be back on the organ bench playing confidently and also with feeling for the music; to be accurate and musical. I had dreamed of playing the Widor Toccata. It is not easy to access a church organ in my area. Maureen V: So I think Maureen is writing about her dreams and the obstacles in achieving those dreams. So the first one would concern about the thing of getting back, getting back on the organ bench, basically, and playing confidently. What would be some advice about this, Ausra? A: Just go back and play, practice. V: I think before playing confidently, she has to play without confidence first, for a while. A: I think confidence will come with time. You need to practice on a regular basis. V: And perform in public. A: Yes. V: Without that, your practice is kind of limited, without real life applications basically, only for yourself. When you practice only for yourself you don’t know how well you’re really playing. A: Yes, and she also talks about feeling for the music. I think that some can feel music better, some don’t. And I think to get the feeling for the music you need to listen to other performance, and not necessarily organist. In general, you need to listen to music performed. V: To get an intuition, right? A: Yes. V: To get musical taste. A: Yes. Because for some people that comes more natural. For some it’s harder. I think it’s probably depends on the qualities that you receive during the birth probably. It’s all genetic. V: The good thing about listening to music is that you can do all kinds of activities and simply listen in your ear with earphones while streaming music for example today. Or from CD recordings in your house, and really do something else with your time, which still would count as listening... A: Yes. V: and studying. A: Because I guess there are sort of two ways; either you know you are very good at the music theory and you understand how the music is composed, how it’s put together, the other cadences and all that form thing, and then you do all this with your mind. You sort of build up the piece and you register it and perform it accordingly, your mind, or you are very good, you have very good musical intuition, and you can do the same things even without thinking about them. V: Then of course you would have a very hard time explaining this to other people. A: Yes. I think, if you want to be a good teacher, yes, then you would have not only have a good intuition but to know exactly how the things work and what you can by you think that the things must be played in such a way and not another way. V: Yes, and no. Depending on what kind of student you have. A: Yes. If you will have a student of good musical intuition then you wouldn’t have to work hard on those things. V: For such a student you would only need to be an example, right, like a role model. And they would take it from there themselves. They’re learning by doing and basically by looking up to you. But not necessarily looking from you for the directions, what to do, what steps to take. But other students want you to take them by the hand, hold them all the way up and to take them through the various obstacles and uh, challenges. Then you really need to be a good motivator as well as explain things very clearly. A: I guess that it depends on what age group we are talking and what kind of personalities we are talking. Because I think that for kids, for example, at an early age, it’s easier to imitate what you are doing. You just play how it should be played and they try to repeat what you have just done. Because I think for them, might be too hard to understand all this language thing, explaining about how piece must be played. I think it works better with adults. V: Mmmmm, yeah. And not all of adults also progress to the levels where they are willing or able to practice independently. A: Yeah, that’s true. V: Some people really need a coach, like athletes. A: Yeah, I guess so. V: Without a coach, athletes wouldn’t reach high results. So now Maureen wants to be accurate and musical. So musical, we talked about that. A: Yes. Yes, we talked about it. V: Accuracy comes with experience and really from failing a lot, I think. You have to first make many mistakes before you can play with accuracy. A: Well, I think that accuracy comes with slow practice. That’s what I think—the slow practice, diligent, slow practice, comes the accuracy. Because if you will play fast and sloppy I don’t think you will gain accuracy. Even if you will play that for hundred times. V: I didn’t mean that, of course. You’re right. And she wants to play Widor Toccata, and we have a score with fingering and pedaling provided for her. And I hope this is useful for her, fingering and pedaling. A: Yes, and she cannot easy access a church organ, as she writes. But if she can access piano, for example, then I think that she can practice quite a lot on the piano, when talking Widor’s Toccata. V: Definitely. A: And when talking about any piece of French music. V: Definitely. I think most of the work can be done on the piano with such a music, and even if you play the pedals on the floor, imitating the spots where you have to press them for specific notes, this will greatly improve your progress when you will have access to real organ. A: True. And I believe if you can play this piece on the piano with imitating pedal part and if you can also sing a pedal part, that would be very useful too. Then I think you will have no trouble preforming it on a real organ. V: Yeah. For men it means that they can sing mostly in their range. For women mostly, it means they have to sing octave higher. A: Yeah, I explained that to my students all the time. Because we always have these questions, for example, a girl asked me, ‘how do I sing in this low register?’ I’m telling you don’t have to sing in it. V: Mmm-hmm. A: What do you expect of all the boys after mutation? To sing what, in the second octave, when the music is written like that? V: Right. They have to figure it out. A: Yes. V: Thank you guys. We hope this useful to you. Please send us more of your questions. We love helping you grow. And remember, when you practice… A: Miracles happen!
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